Hearings to examine the nominations of Arjun Mody, of New Jersey, to be Deputy Commissioner Social Security for the term expiring January 19, 2031, Jeffrey Goettman, of Virginia, to be a Deputy United States Trade Representative (Africa, Western Hemisphere, Europe, the Middle East, Environment, Labor, and Industrial Competitiveness), with the Rank of Ambassador, Julie Callahan, of the District of Columbia, to be Chief Agricultural Negotiator, Office of the United States Trade Representative, with the rank of Ambassador, and Thomas Bell, of Virginia, to be Inspector General, Department of Health and Human Services.

Committee on Finance

2025-10-29

Source: Congress.gov

Summary

This hearing convened to consider the nominations of Arjun Modi for Deputy Commissioner of the Social Security Administration, Jeff Getman for Deputy USTR, Dr. Julie Callahan for Chief Agriculture Negotiator at USTR, and March Bell for Inspector General of the Health and Human Services Department[ 00:28:27-00:31:09 ] . The session was marked by sharp political disagreements between the Chairman and Ranking Member regarding critical national issues such as the ongoing government shutdown, healthcare affordability, and the administration's trade policies[ 00:37:36-00:37:46 ]

. Nominees were questioned extensively on their qualifications, policy positions, and commitment to upholding the law amidst these contentious debates[ 00:31:41-00:31:41 ] .

Nominee Qualifications and Public Service Commitment

The Chairman, Michael Crapo, introduced all four nominees, emphasizing their extensive public sector experience and suitability for their respective roles[ 00:29:14-00:31:09 ] . Senator John Barrasso specifically endorsed Arjun Modi, highlighting his 15 years of experience shaping Senate work and his ability to solve problems and modernize organizations like the Social Security Administration. Each nominee affirmed their commitment to public service and pledged to uphold the law, although some responses to specific scenarios were met with skepticism by the Ranking Member[ 01:13:03 ]

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Political Divisions and Government Dysfunction

A significant portion of the hearing was dominated by political sparring between Chairman Crapo and Ranking Member Ron Wyden[ 00:37:36 ]

. Wyden criticized the committee for ignoring pressing healthcare affordability issues and the government shutdown, alleging Republican inaction and a "textbook case of failure" to conduct oversight. Crapo countered by placing blame on Democrats for the shutdown and for demanding excessive healthcare spending instead of negotiating "meaningful healthcare reform". Concerns were also raised regarding the legality of Inspector General firings under the Trump administration and its implications for the independence of oversight bodies.

Healthcare and Social Security Oversight

Discussion centered on critical challenges facing federal healthcare and Social Security programs. Ranking Member Wyden expressed alarm over soaring healthcare premiums, citing constituent examples and lamenting the lack of committee hearings on the subject[ 00:37:46-00:38:34 ]

. He questioned Mr. Bell's impartiality for the HHS Inspector General role, citing past "witch hunts" and allegations of targeting political opponents. For Social Security, Wyden raised concerns about Mr. Modi's limited direct experience and the agency's ongoing customer service crisis and alleged lack of transparency regarding performance metrics. In response, Mr. Bell committed to investigating Medicare Advantage fraud, reducing nursing home paperwork, and overseeing federal funds related to assisted suicide and abortion facilities[ 01:35:41-01:35:52 ] [ 01:36:41-01:36:53 ] [ 01:37:58-01:38:12 ] [ 01:38:58-01:39:00 ] . Mr. Modi outlined his focus on premier customer service, recruitment, and public affairs to address SSA's operational challenges.

Trade Policy and Agricultural Market Access

The nominees for the USTR positions, Mr. Getman and Dr. Callahan, faced intense scrutiny regarding the administration's trade policies and their impact on American industries. Dr. Callahan, nominated as Chief Agriculture Negotiator, committed to tackling non-tariff barriers, particularly from China, and expanding market access for U.S. agricultural products like beef, wheat, and soybeans[ 01:25:17-01:25:22 ]

. She acknowledged the challenges posed by China's "weaponization of agriculture" and foreign competitors filling market voids[ 01:25:28 ] . Several senators, including Grassley, Daines, Bennett, and Warren, voiced concerns about the impact of tariffs on input costs, Argentine beef imports, and the inconsistency of trade policy on U.S. farmers and small businesses[ 01:18:33-01:18:43 ] . Mr. Getman, nominated as Deputy USTR, highlighted the need to support American manufacturing and address unfair foreign trading practices, drawing on his experience with deindustrialization in towns like Springfield, Ohio.

Summary of the Tone of the Meeting

The meeting exhibited a highly polarized and contentious tone, primarily driven by sharp disagreements between Democratic and Republican members over the administration's policies[ 00:37:36-00:37:46 ]

. While nominees generally maintained a professional demeanor, several of their answers were perceived as evasive, particularly when pressed on politically sensitive issues or specific policy impacts[ 01:12:16-01:12:19 ] . The persistent questioning on the government shutdown, rising healthcare costs, and the economic consequences of trade tariffs underscored a deep partisan divide and a sense of urgency regarding national challenges[ 00:37:46-00:38:20 ] .

Participants

Transcript

The hearing will come to order.  Thank you to our nominees, Mr. Modi, Mr. Getman, Dr. Callahan.   and Mr. Bell for being here today.  Congratulations on your nominations, and thank each of you for your willingness to serve.  We will first hear from Arjun Modi, who is nominated to serve as the Deputy Commissioner of the Social Security Administration.  The Deputy Commissioner assists in administering the programs necessary to accomplish SSA's mission, including directing the development of agency policies and procedures, as well as the supervision of agency financial management systems.   Mr. Modi has over 20 years of experience in the public sector, most recently as senior Senate staffer for our colleague, Senator Barrasso.  And I'm confident that his extensive background in government service will allow him to maneuver effectively at the Social Security Administration and assist Commissioner Bizignano in delivering the high-quality service that beneficiaries deserve.   Next, we will hear from Jeff Gutman, who is nominated to serve as Deputy USTR for Africa, the Western Hemisphere, Europe, the Middle East, the Environment, Labor, and Industrial Competitiveness, a pretty big portfolio.   If confirmed, Mr. Gutmann will have an array of complex matters in his portfolio.  Given his background, he is well qualified to manage these issues.  For example, while serving as the Executive Vice President and Chief Operating Officer of the Export-Import Bank, Mr. Gutmann assisted small businesses in exporting U.S. capital, goods, and allowing businesses to stay competitive on the global stage.   This experience will serve him well at the USTR, where he will be responsible for ensuring American interests are protected abroad.  We will also hear from Dr. Julie Callahan, who is nominated to serve as the chief agriculture negotiator at USTR.
Dr. Callahan has a long career in public service across USTR, the Food and Drug Administration, and the Department of Agriculture.   As the Assistant USTR for Agricultural Affairs and Commodity Policy, Dr. Callahan has worked tirelessly to promote the interests of U.S. farmers, ranchers, and food manufacturers.  In fact, her nomination has been supported by over 80 associations representing these groups.  I look forward to working with her, if confirmed, to ensure that the interests of U.S. agriculture are protected in international negotiations.   Finally, we will hear from March Bell, who is nominated to serve as the Inspector General of the Health and Human Services Department.  The statutory purpose of the HHS Office of Inspector General is to prevent and detect fraud, waste, and abuse, and to promote the economy, efficiency, and effectiveness of HHS programs and operations.   HHS is responsible for administering some of our most significant and wide-ranging programs, such as Medicare and Medicaid.  Mr. Bell will need to serve as a principled overseer of these programs, ensuring that American taxpayer dollars are used effectively.  His long career at oversight and investigations at the Department of Justice and in the House of Representatives, among other federal and state agencies, will serve him well in this position, if confirmed.   Before closing, I will respond to allegations from my Democratic colleagues that this position is not legally vacant due to President Trump's termination of previous inspector generals.   The Senate Armed Services, Small Business, and Veterans Affairs Committee, to name just a few, have all considered and advanced Inspector General nominee positions that were also vacant.  Inspector Generals serve at the discretion of the President, and this position is vacant.   Mr. Bell has successfully met the Finance Committee's rigorous vetting standard and now deserves to likewise be considered by this committee.
Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman.  It is unfortunate that the Chairman has decided it is business as usual here at the Finance Committee.   This is coming against the backdrop of a healthcare calamity that's about to hit so many American families like a wrecking ball.  One of the couples that are just going to get clobbered by what's ahead are Bart and Carla from Eugene, Eugene, Oregon, and they are going to fall between the cracks   and in such a hurtful way, they are going to pay 500 percent more for the same health insurance they had this year.  Five hundred percent, folks.  That's what we're talking about.   We're going to have a hearing on some nominees.  Now, the reality is we have tried to negotiate with Republicans to prevent these huge price hikes in insurance premiums for months.  Every step of the way, even before the shutdown, the door has been slammed shut by my Republican colleagues.   In two days, millions of Americans are going to start trying to renew their health insurance.  Because of efforts by Donald Trump and for-profit insurance companies to actually conceal these premium increases, most American families are in the dark about how expensive their health care is going to get.  Wait till you hear them speaking out about sticker shock.   just days from open enrollment.  What are the Republicans talking about?  They're talking about bailing out a foreign country while families go hungry, and the Secretary of Treasury, who's close to a billionaire, talks about being a soybean farmer.