Hearings to examine the nominations of Benjamin Hobbs, of Ohio, and Ronald Kurtz, of Georgia, both to be an Assistant Secretary of Housing and Urban Development, and Chris Pilkerton, of Maryland, to be Assistant Secretary for Investment Security, and Jonathan Burke, of Georgia, to be Assistant Secretary for Terrorist Financing, both of the Department of the Treasury, and Stephen Miran, of New York, to be a Member of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System.

Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs Committee

2025-09-04

Source: Congress.gov

Summary

The meeting convened to consider President Trump's nominees for key economic positions, including several roles within HUD, Treasury, and the Federal Reserve Board. While the Chair emphasized the nominees' qualifications and commitment to strengthening the American economy, significant controversy arose regarding the Federal Reserve nomination and its implications for the institution's independence.

Themes

Nominees' Qualifications and Commitments

The hearing introduced five nominees for various federal roles, each presenting their qualifications and priorities. Ben Hopps, nominated for HUD's Assistant Secretary for Public and Indian Housing, highlighted his focus on affordable housing, self-sufficiency for low-income Americans, and improving public housing conditions. Ronnie Kurtz, nominated for HUD's Assistant Secretary for Community Planning and Development, emphasized his practical experience in local government and commitment to streamlining federal programs to address housing and homelessness locally. Dr. Stephen Miran, nominated as a Federal Reserve Board Governor, presented his extensive background in monetary policy and macroeconomics, stressing the importance of the Fed's dual mandate for full employment and stable prices. Christopher Pilkerton, Treasury's Assistant Secretary for Investment Security, underscored his experience in national security and finance, aiming to protect the U.S. from hostile foreign influence and ensure secure investments. Jonathan Burke, nominated as Treasury's Assistant Secretary for Terrorist Financing, detailed his track record in combating illicit finance and protecting the American economy from financial harm.

Federal Reserve Independence and Politicization

A central theme was the contentious debate over the independence of the Federal Reserve and alleged attempts by President Trump to politicize it. Several Democratic senators, led by Elizabeth Warren, accused President Trump of a "months-long campaign to seize control of the Federal Reserve" through intimidation and illegal attempts to remove governors. They expressed strong concerns that Dr. Miran, given his current role as Chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers, would compromise the Fed's independence and act as President Trump's "puppet." Dr. Miran repeatedly asserted his commitment to the Fed's independence, stating he would base decisions on independent economic analysis, although his responses to direct questions about the 2020 election results and the integrity of BLS data were often perceived as evasive. Republican senators, conversely, defended Dr. Miran's independence and criticized what they saw as the Fed's own politicization by venturing into areas like climate change and diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI). The historical precedent of Arthur Burns' tenure as Fed Chair under President Nixon and the subsequent stagflation was cited as a warning against presidential interference.

Economic Policy and Impact

Discussions also revolved around the economic policies of the Trump administration and their impact on American families and businesses. Democratic senators argued that President Trump's policies, particularly his tariffs, have led to increased costs for everyday necessities like groceries, utilities, and housing. Dr. Miran, however, maintained that tariffs have not caused significant macroeconomic inflation in the long run, attributing economic challenges to other factors, such as border policies' effect on housing costs. Nominees for HUD positions acknowledged the severe challenges of housing affordability and homelessness, committing to finding innovative solutions and reducing regulatory burdens. Concerns were also raised about the government's role in addressing issues such as financial networks enabling fentanyl trafficking and the foreign ownership of U.S. agricultural land near sensitive military installations, with nominees expressing readiness to tackle these national security threats.

Tone of the Meeting

The tone of the meeting was largely contentious and polarized, particularly concerning Dr. Stephen Miran's nomination to the Federal Reserve Board . While the Republican Chairman and some members offered supportive introductions and questions for all nominees, highlighting their qualifications and alignment with President Trump's agenda, Democratic senators expressed deep skepticism and strong opposition, especially towards Dr. Miran [ 00:23:03-00:26:41 ] . The exchanges involving Dr. Miran were often tense and challenging, with Democrats questioning his independence and honesty, and his responses frequently being perceived as evasive or non-committal . Overall, the atmosphere was characterized by a clear partisan divide and a focus on the broader political implications of the nominations, particularly concerning the Federal Reserve's autonomy .

Participants

Transcript

Let's get started here this morning.  Today we once again convene to consider a state, a slate of well-qualified nominees put forward by President Trump.   Each nominee here shares a commitment to ensuring the American economy remains strong, competitive, and secure, from housing affordability to protecting our financial systems from bad actors to maintaining confidence in the Federal Reserve.  The work of these nominees directly impacts the lives of everyday Americans and the prosperity of states like my home state, South Carolina.   More than 450,000 small businesses operating in South Carolina alone, decisions made in Washington have a direct impact on local jobs and economic growth.   The Senate Banking Committee must ensure that those entrusted with these roles are capable, accountable, and focused on advancing opportunity for all Americans.  The nominees before us will play a key role in addressing these economic challenges and ensuring America's workforce remains competitive.  Let me briefly highlight the impressive credentials of each nominee before us today.  Mr. Ben Hopps.   nominated to serve as HUD's Assistant Secretary for Public and Indian Housing.  He's someone I know very well.  As opposed to reading about him, I'll just simply say that from Opportunity Zones to his work on my staff, he has proven to be an excellent, excellent person committed to the success and the prosperity of everyday Americans.  The one thing we need more of   are people who are sacrificial in providing service to our country and varied roles throughout.
And it has been my honor and privilege to watch Ben succeed and now get paid a lot more money than I will ever get paid.  Thank you for being here.   Next, we'll go to Mr. Ronnie Kurtz.  I know that you're not going to make that much money doing your job anyway, so you get the point.  Mr. Ronnie Kurtz, nominated to be HUD's Assistant Secretary for Community Planning and Development, bringing practical, on-the-ground experience from his leadership in the state of Georgia.  He knows firsthand the responsibilities of this position, from code enforcement to zoning, building inspections, and public hearings.   That kind of hands-on knowledge is critical at HUD, where decisions must balance local realities with national priorities.  Together, their experience will help guide federal programs to better serve communities, and I look forward to their leadership in carrying out our Road to Housing Act when it becomes law.   Dr. Steven Myron, nominated to serve as a governor of the Federal Reserve Board, is well known on this committee.  As chair of the Council of Economic Advisers, he has already helped guide the Trump administration toward policies that have boosted domestic production, reduced trade deficits, and increased revenues for the Treasury Department.  His expertise will strengthen the Fed at this critical moment.   Mr. Christopher Pilkerton, nominated to be the Treasury's Assistant Secretary for Investment Security and will lead CFIUS and the department's outbound investment screening efforts.  He brings the legal and financial experience needed to keep America secure from hostile foreign influence and to ensure U.S.  investment does not aid our adversaries in key sectors.   Mr. Jonathan Burke, nominated to be Treasury's Assistant Secretary for Terrorist Financing, has a proven track record, both in government and in the private sector.