Hearings to examine the nomination of Linda McMahon, of Connecticut, to be Secretary of Education.

Committee on Education

2025-02-13

Source: Congress.gov

Summary

This hearing focused on the nomination of Ms. Linda McMahon as Secretary of the Department of Education, with wide-ranging discussions on the state of American education, the department's future, and pressing issues in K-12 and higher education[ 00:20:48 ] . Senators expressed both support for and significant concerns about the nominee's policy stances and the Trump administration's approach to education[ 00:21:02 ] .

Themes

State of Education and Department's Role

Senators highlighted the declining state of American education, citing recent National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP) scores which show significant drops in reading and math proficiency among students[ 00:21:18 ]

. Many speakers criticized the traditional K-12 system for failing students and colleges for not adequately preparing them for the modern workforce, leading to high debt and low return on investment for degrees[ 00:23:30 ] . A central debate revolved around the Department of Education itself, with some arguing it is a "bloated bureaucracy" causing red tape and impeding educational success at the local level[ 00:23:16 ] . Others countered that the department provides vital resources, particularly for low-income students and those with disabilities, and is crucial for ensuring equitable access to quality education nationwide. Ms. McMahon affirmed President Trump's vision to return education to the states and reduce federal bureaucracy, acknowledging that any full dismantling of the department would require congressional action[ 00:44:55 ] .

School Choice and Funding

A prominent theme was the advocacy for school choice, including charter schools, as a proven method to help students succeed and empower parents[ 00:21:45 ]

. Proponents argued that competition among schools improves quality and can address the failures of inner-city public schools. Conversely, concerns were raised about the potential for school choice to create a "two-tier system" that harms public education by diverting public funds to private institutions, exacerbating segregation by race and class. Ms. McMahon clarified that the administration's goal is not to defund existing programs like Title I, IDEA, or Pell Grants, but rather to operate them more efficiently and potentially reallocate their administration to other agencies or directly to states. She also expressed interest in expanding Pell Grants for short-term certificates and skill-based learning.

Teacher Support and Workforce Development

Several senators emphasized the critical role of teachers, with Senator Sanders advocating for higher salaries, suggesting a minimum of $60,000 per year, to attract and retain talent in the profession. Ms. McMahon agreed that teachers should be fairly compensated, with salary decisions resting with the states based on local living costs and job performance[ 00:52:29 ]

. There was also strong bipartisan support for expanding workforce development, career-focused education, apprenticeships, and internships as valuable alternatives or complements to four-year college degrees. Senators highlighted the need to provide diverse pathways for students to achieve successful careers and noted that not all students are best served by traditional college paths.

Campus Issues (Anti-Semitism & Title IX)

The rise of anti-Semitism on college campuses was a significant concern, with senators condemning attacks and harassment against Jewish students[ 00:25:04 ]

. Ms. McMahon unequivocally stated that she would not tolerate anti-Semitism and committed to enforcing Title VI, investigating non-compliant universities, and ensuring Jewish students' safety, potentially with consequences including defunding[ 01:46:11 ] . Discussions also touched upon Title IX, particularly regarding transgender athletes and access to gender-segregated spaces. Ms. McMahon committed to enforcing Title IX to protect women's sports and safety in facilities, stating that biological males should not compete in women's sports[ 01:43:06 ] .

Bureaucracy and Reforms

Many senators, particularly on the Republican side, criticized the existing federal bureaucracy within the Department of Education, asserting that it hinders innovation and responsiveness at the local level[ 00:23:16 ]

. Ms. McMahon's prior experience leading the Small Business Administration was cited as an asset for streamlining operations and cutting red tape[ 00:24:47 ] . There were specific concerns about the influence of external entities, such as "DOGE staffers" (reportedly associated with Elon Musk), who were perceived to be impacting federal grants and accessing sensitive student data, raising questions about accountability and privacy[ 01:01:53 ] . The potential for reforms to address issues like accreditation and foreign influence in universities was also discussed.

Tone of the Meeting

The hearing was marked by a contentious and polarized atmosphere, reflecting deep ideological divisions regarding the future of federal involvement in education. Senators expressed passionate views, with some laudatory and others highly critical of the nominee and the Trump administration's education agenda. Multiple disruptions from audience members underscore the intense public interest and strong opposition to certain proposals. While some moments showed bipartisan concern on issues like declining academic scores and the importance of trade skills, the overall tone was often confrontational[ 00:21:18 ]

. Ms. McMahon maintained a largely guarded and strategic demeanor, often promising to "look into" specific issues or policies once confirmed, rather than committing to immediate actions, particularly concerning budget cuts or specific executive orders[ 00:47:52 ] .

Participants

Transcript

Committee on Health Education, Labor, and Pensions will please come to order.  Ms.  McMahon, I appreciate you coming before the committee today.  You were very successful leading the Small Business Administration in President Trump's first term, and I'm glad the President has given you another opportunity to serve.  You have enormous challenges.  At the K through 12 level, students who were behind before the pandemic are even further behind now.   According to the latest National Assessment of Educational Progress, or NAEP, reading scores among fourth and eighth graders declined five points since the pandemic.  In math, fourth grade scores fell by five points and eighth grade scores fell by eight points.  The failures of the traditional K-12 schools are leading more families to try other education options proven to help students succeed, like charter schools.   The Biden-Harris Department of Education tried to take these options away from families.  They passed onerous regulations, making it harder for charter schools to apply for federal grants, impeding their ability to grow and to serve more children.   the Department's bloated bureaucracy failed to improve the nation's education system quite likely made it worse.  There's been a lot of talk about dismantling the Department of Education, and I'm sure that you will be asked this today.  But before we begin, I want to explain what the Department of Education actually does.   On average, only about 10% of public funds that go towards educating a child comes from the federal taxpayer.  That's only 10%.  90% comes from state and local government.  While the federal government accounts for a small minority of the funding, it is responsible for the vast majority of bureaucracy and red tape preventing communities from improving educational success.   I'm hearing from schools across the country that they have stopped going after federal competitive grant funding because it is not worth the hoops and red tape the Department of Education has placed on those dollars.
If schools are not eager to apply for competitive grants to improve operations, something is wrong and something should change.   It's not only the K through 12 system failing students.  Colleges and universities are not preparing students to succeed in the modern workforce.  The cost of higher education are quickly outpacing the value of the degree students receive.  According to a nonpartisan analysis, 23% of bachelor's degree programs and 43% of master's degrees have a negative return on investment.  Too many students leave college woefully unprepared for the workforce.   After being saddled with overwhelming debt, they cannot pay off.  Under the last administration, the Department of Education's only answer was to transfer hundreds of billions of dollars, that's hundreds of billions, in student debt from those who willingly took it on to supposedly advance their life.  They transferred it to Americans who either chose not to go to college or had already paid their way through school.   To implement these schemes, the department dramatically increased the scope and authority of the student loan financing program, clearly outside of what Congress previously intended.  Your experience overseeing SBA loans will be a great asset as the department looks to reform a very broken student loan program.   We've also seen rampant anti-Semitism on college campuses, leading to attacks and harassment of Jewish students.  I'm pleased to see the Trump administration has already launched investigations, and I look forward to working with you, presuming that you are confirmed.  The status quo is not working.  The educational system is failing our children.  The Biden-Harris Department of Education stood in the way of student success.  Transformative change of the educational establishment is needed.   The department needs to get out of the way of states and local communities who are best positioned to actually address students' needs.  We need to empower parents so they have a voice in their child's education.  This includes increasing access to school choice, perhaps also called parental choice, so families can give their child every opportunity to succeed in the classroom and beyond.