Oversight Hearing Titled: "Understanding the Consequences of Experimental Populations Under the Endangered Species Act"

Fisheries Conservation, Wildlife, and Oceans

2025-03-04

Loading video...

Source: Congress.gov

Summary

This meeting of the subcommittee convened to discuss the consequences of experimental populations under the Endangered Species Act (ESA), particularly focusing on the impacts on ranching communities [ 00:30:57-00:31:09 ]

. Witnesses included ranchers who shared their direct experiences with apex predators, a former Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS) coordinator, and representatives who debated the effectiveness and implementation of ESA Section 10(J) [ 00:41:38-00:42:04 ] .

Themes

Impacts on Ranchers and Local Communities

Ranchers articulated significant financial and emotional burdens caused by the reintroduction of apex predators like wolves and grizzly bears under the ESA's experimental population provisions [ 00:32:20-00:32:31 ]

. Direct losses from livestock depredation are compounded by substantial indirect costs, such as reduced livestock weight gain, increased stress on herds, additional labor for deterrents, and the loss of access to grazing allotments [ 01:33:30-01:33:30 ] . These costs are often not fully compensated by existing programs, which ranchers describe as inadequate and difficult to navigate due to stringent proof requirements [ 00:46:06-00:46:06 ] . Many expressed feeling ignored by federal agencies, arguing that local input is bypassed in favor of external environmental group appeasement [ 00:32:35-00:33:18 ] . Safety concerns for families, pets, and livestock were also a prominent issue [ 00:33:53-00:33:53 ] .

Effectiveness and Application of the ESA and Section 10(J)

There was a clear division regarding the efficacy and appropriate use of the ESA and its Section 10(J) experimental population tool [ 00:40:32-00:40:40 ]

. Supporters, primarily Democratic representatives and Dr. Servheen, lauded the ESA as a demonstrably successful conservation program that has prevented the extinction of 99% of listed species, highlighting 10(J) as a critical, flexible tool for species reintroduction . They cited successful reintroductions like the Mexican gray wolf and California condor . Conversely, Republican representatives and ranchers criticized 10(J) as "weaponized" and mismanaged, leading to excessive regulatory burdens and a lack of clear recovery and delisting criteria [ 00:32:35-00:32:35 ] [ 01:44:50-01:44:50 ] . Concerns were raised about species populations exceeding recovery goals in certain areas, yet remaining listed due to "moving the goalposts" or political influence [ 01:23:09-01:23:13 ] .

Role of Federal Agencies and Compensation Programs

The role of federal agencies, particularly the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, was a central point of contention [ 00:33:06-00:33:18 ]

. Ranchers accused the FWS of imposing reintroductions without considering local community readiness or providing adequate management tools . New, stricter depredation confirmation guidelines were highlighted as making compensation nearly impossible to obtain . Dr. Servheen, however, emphasized that FWS field staff work closely with livestock producers and that existing programs can effectively manage problem animals [ 01:28:53-01:28:59 ] . He also strongly condemned recent federal employee layoffs, predicting they would severely cripple the agencies' ability to respond to ranchers and implement conservation efforts effectively .

Species Recovery and Delisting

The discussion included a debate on criteria for species recovery and delisting [ 01:29:57-01:30:18 ]

. Many representatives argued that species like the gray wolf and grizzly bear have numerically recovered in various states and should be delisted to allow state management [ 01:23:09-01:23:13 ] . Dr. Servheen countered that mere population numbers are insufficient; adequate regulatory mechanisms must be in place to ensure long-term survival, particularly in preventing overly aggressive state culling policies that have previously undermined recovery efforts . He expressed concern that political involvement at the state level could jeopardize species that are otherwise recovered .

Tone of the Meeting

The meeting's tone was largely contentious and partisan, characterized by significant disagreement between the Republican majority and ranchers, who expressed deep frustration with federal policies, and the Democratic minority and Dr. Servheen, who defended the core principles of the ESA while acknowledging implementation challenges [ 00:40:32-00:40:40 ]

. There was a pervasive sense of ranchers feeling unheard and burdened by federal mandates . Despite the divisiveness, there was a shared underlying desire for better, more responsive systems for managing human-wildlife conflicts and ensuring both species recovery and ranching sustainability .

Participants

Transcript

Dingell.  Without objection, so ordered.  That was a list, wasn't it?  I now recognize myself for an opening statement.  Good morning, everyone, and thank you very much.  I'm welcoming the witnesses, several who have come from beautiful stretches in Arizona, Washington State, and Colorado to be here with us.   Thank you for appearing before the committee to discuss the consequences of experimental populations under the Endangered Species Act.  I'd like to ask our audience to take a moment and imagine life as a rancher.  You wake up before dawn, pull on a pair of well-worn leather boots, and head out with a cup of coffee just as the sun begins to peek over the mountains in the distance.  Before going to check the fences, you drive your children to the bus stop miles away, asking them to wait in the truck.   Wolves have been spotted in the area recently, and you don't want to risk their safety.  Out in a nearby pasture, you find the remains of a dead calf, just pieces of the carcass left behind.  Before you can get on the phone to call a fishing game, you find another carcass.  The loss is not just painful to witness, but expensive to your operation.  For most of you, this gruesome scene may be fuel for nightmares, but for ranchers in Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado, Washington, Montana, Idaho, and Wyoming, and other states,   into which apex predators have been introduced as experimental populations, this nightmare is a reality.  And this reality is the consequences of a weaponized 10-J process that ignores crucial local stakeholder input in favor of appeasing radical environmental groups.  To be clear, the 10-J experimental population exception is foundationally a conservation tool meant to ease the ESA's regulatory burden, creating non-essential experimental populations, affords the US Fish and Wildlife Service   and landowners greater flexibility in species management, including removal of problem animals that pose a danger to humans, livestock, and pets.  Yet rather than to use the 10 process appropriately, as an exception to the ESA, Fish and Wildlife Service has exploited the rules to introduce populations of apex predators like grizzly bears and wolves into areas unprepared, unable, and unwilling to support them.
And by ignoring local input before and after the introduction of experimental populations,   Fish and wildlife service has allowed animals like bears and wolves to wreak havoc on unsuspecting families working tirelessly to make a living off their own land.  A grizzly bear, for example, consumes as much as 30 to 40 pounds of food per day when bulking up for the winter.  Similarly, a single wolf eats up to 20 pounds of meat in one sitting.   Some wolves, hunting alone or in packs, slaughter easy-to-kill livestock for food.  Others seem to kill family pets and livestock just for amusement.  Others still threaten children playing innocently in their yards.  This depredation takes a great emotional and physical and financial toll on hardworking American ranching families.  Families grieve their pets and fear leaving their homes, not knowing whether a predatory animal lurks around the corner.   Rather than tend to their herds and collect eggs, ranchers document evidence of attacks, haul bodies of dead livestock, and wash blood from chicken coops.  Instead of selling their cattle for profit, ranching families wake up with their income literally having been gobbled up overnight.  Even just the presence of an experimental apex predator results in financial hardship.  One study from the University of Montana revealed that an average calves on ranches that experienced at least one wolf predation   weigh 20 pounds less than calves on ranches without a wolf presence.  This 3.5% decrease in weight means that these animals fetch much lower prices when sold.  Moving forward, the United States Fish and Wildlife Service must seek to local input that highlights not only valid concerns about depredation, but also solutions that make species recovery more palatable and effective.

Sign up for free to see the full transcript

Accounts help us prevent bots from abusing our site. Accounts are free and will allow you to access the full transcript.