Hearing Entitled: Field Hearing on the Defense Production Act

House Financial Services Subcommittee on National Security, Illicit Finance, and International Financial Institutions

2025-08-13

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Warren Davidson
illicit finance and international finance institutions will come to order without objection the chairman is authorized to declare a recess of the committee at any time today's hearing is titled securing the supply chain the defense production act in focus without objection all members will have five legislative days within which to submit extraneous materials for inclusion in the record i now recognize myself for four minutes for an opening statement   Good morning and welcome to today's National Security Subcommittee hearing, Securing the Supply Chain, the Defense Production Act in Focus, which is devoted to evaluating the Defense Production Act ahead of its expiration in September.  This year, this subcommittee has had   a June hearing and a July briefing that provided fundamental overview of DPA for members of Congress.  We convene here today at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base because of its significance in implementing DPA's Title III through Wright-Patt's hosting of major Air Force commands involved in defense acquisition.   This ensures that Title III funded capabilities are integrated into operational systems.  It affects the base's sustainment activities and enhances its ability to address national industrial base vulnerabilities.  My colleagues and I are grateful for the opportunity to address the critical role of Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in executing DPA's Title III authorities and the urgent need to modernize and enhance   these powers to strengthen our national security.  We will feature two panels, the first offering military officials perspective on the current DPA functionality, and the second panel incorporating feedback from civilian defense contractors from our region   on today's procurement landscape.  Enacted in 1950 during the Korean War, DPA was designed to secure America's industrial base for national emergencies, prioritizing domestic production over foreign reliance.  Today, as our dependence on foreign critical materials, semiconductors, rare materials, pharmaceuticals grows, the DPA's importance is undeniable.
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Mr. Jeffrey Frankston
Thank you, sir.  Chairman Hill, Vice Chairman, Committee Chairman Huizenga, Subcommittee Chairman Davidson, Representative Moore, good morning.  Thank you for the opportunity to speak with you today on the critical role the Defense Production Act plays in ensuring the United States maintains the industrial strength needed to support the interim national defense strategic guidance and sustain its competitive edge.  It's an honor to speak to you   for this aviation geek in this facility to talk about the industrial base and building back to where we need to be.  Unlike some of the   airplanes in this facility, the DPA is not a Cold War relic.  It is a vital statutory tool, one that enables the department to identify and respond to industrial shortfalls, reinforce supply chain integrity and resilience, and accelerate production in support of urgent operational needs.  In an era where geopolitical competition is intensifying, particularly from China, industrial capacity remains a key determinant of our deterrence.  We continue to see challenges that test our industrial resilience.   and we have seen renewed cyber attacks targeting U.S.  aerospace and shipbuilding firms, expanded Chinese restrictions on exports of critical minerals, and mounting cost pressures on cross-defense manufacturing.  Our shipyards are overburdened, our munitions suppliers are operating at maximum throughput, but still falling short of surge demands.  These challenges are cumulative and compounding, and they demand more than reactive procurement.  They require flexibility and coordination between government and industry, and the DPA provides that and more.   revitalizing the defense industrial base is foundational to restoring deterrence and rebuilding our military.  Under this administration's leadership, we are executing a deliberate data-driven strategy to rebuild U.S.  defense production capacity and shore up domestic supply chains.  We're leveraging key authorities like DPA Title III to address fragile nodes across priority sectors like munitions and strategic and critical minerals.  We have reduced barriers to entry,   to expand participation in the defense industrial base for small businesses and non-traditional vendors through other transactional authorities, flexible acquisition vehicles, and improved acquisition guidance.
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Mr. Jeffrey Frankston
We are fostering competition and accelerating innovation.   These vehicles offer a unique ability to scale the department's effort to foster competition and collaboration between the government, traditional businesses, and non-traditional vendors.  Efforts like this are about more than improving industrial capacity.  They are part and parcel to ensuring a resilient, responsive, and adequately distributed defense complex capable of meeting both wartime demands and maintaining a credible military posture that effectively deters our adversaries.   DOD uses the DPA every day in our mission to safeguard vital U.S.  national interests.  Title I authorizes the President to require industry to accept and prioritize contracts and orders to promote the national defense.  We leverage the Title I authorities for priority capabilities, including long-range fires, integrated missile defense, and replenishment of critical munitions.  We are taking active steps to continue to improve the defense priorities and allocation system   including clear onboarding guidance for new suppliers, rapid internal approval processes, and streamlined compliance mechanisms for small and midsize vendors.  Title III is a force multiplier where market dynamics alone are insufficient to ensure our domestic industrial base has the capabilities we need for national defense.   In fiscal years 2020 through 2024, approximately $2.8 billion was awarded to 194 projects under this program.  So far in FY25, the program has made awards totaling more than $500 million, and these investments are complemented by $88 million in total recipient cost shares since the beginning of the fiscal year.   These investments go, just a sample, go towards restoring critical chemical production, expanding domestic manufacturing for solid rocket motors, establishing secure supply chains for strategic and critical minerals and materials, and in concert with our allies and partners.  These investments are also designed to improve economic viability where sustained demand is critical to maintaining a healthy market and resilient industrial base.   Title VII is a key enabler of investment screening and supply chain protection.
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Dr. Charles Ormsby
Subcommittee Chairman Davidson, Committee Chairman Hill, Vice Chairman Huizenga, and Representative Moore, good morning.  Thank you for the opportunity to testify today.  I'm happy to speak regarding the Defense Production Act Title III program.  I will discuss the Executive Agent Program Office, our role, our history, and the status in executing the Defense Production Act Title III.   I serve as the Acting Director of the Materials and Manufacturing Directorate within the Air Force Research Laboratory, headquartered here at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base.  And in this position, I lead the Defense Production Act Title III Executive Agent Program Office.  The Executive Agent Program Office is staffed by a multidisciplinary team, including program managers, scientists, engineers,   national environmental policy experts, purchase agreement specialists, financial managers, and other subject matter experts required to execute often complex and unique projects.  The Executive Agent Program Office is central to the practical execution of Defense Production Act Title III investments for the Department of Defense.   While the Executive Agent Program Office manages the operational and technical aspects, the projects are authorized and funded by the Office of the Under Secretary of Defense for Acquisition and Sustainment.  Specifically, the Manufacturing Capability Expansion and Investment Prioritization Directorate within industrial-based policy is responsible for the Title III program and its funding.   this organizational structure indicates a clear division of labor with industrial-based policy providing the strategic guidance and financial oversight and the materials and manufacturing directorate that i represent serving as the primary technical and execution arm i'm pleased to have mr jeffrey frankston acting deputy assistant secretary for industrial-based resilience joining me today   The Executive Agent Program Office initiates project solicitations through a funding opportunity announcement.  We issued a hybrid funding opportunity announcement in July of 2019, which allows for both unsolicited inputs from industry and government-initiated calls for specific proposals addressing vetted requirements.
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Dr. Charles Ormsby
We are also executing other transactions using a Washington headquarters services procurement vehicle.  We are executing 109 technical investment agreements from the funding opportunity announcement.  Additionally, we are processing one other transaction prototype award that will include project management support, and we are providing purchase agreement   agreements officer representative, and project management support for an additional other transactions to be awarded by the Washington Headquarters Services.  The Executive Agent Program Office executes from six funds, including core Title III dollars, CARES Act Supplemental, Ukraine Supplemental, Inflation Reduction Act, Indo-Pacific Security Supplemental, and Israel Security Supplemental.   These funds have varying structures.  For some funds, obligation and expenditures have no expiration dates.  For others, there are expiration dates stated.  The Executive Agent Program Office's diverse staff of engineers and scientists are proud to provide critical technical depth for assessing industrial base capabilities and ensuring investments achieve a resilient defense industrial base.   Notably, recent examples include a project that significantly improved production of gallium nitride monolithic microwave integrated circuits, achieving a threefold yield improvement at a 76% cost reduction.  Another project expanded domestic nickel production, identifying the purest nickel in the United States and perhaps globally.  The purity was so good, examples were placed in the Smithsonian just last week.   Our expertise extends to managing projects across critical chemicals, critical minerals and materials, hypersonics, radiation-hardened microelectronics, castings and forgings, and energy storage and battery value chains.  The Executive Agent Program Office employs over 60 government civilians and contractors
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Bill Huizenga
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Warren Davidson
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Mr. Robert Faxon
Thank you, Chairman Hill, Chairman Davidson, and members of the subcommittee.  Thank you for the opportunity to testify today.  My name is Robert Faxon, Chairman of the Board for Consolidated Boring Incorporated, a company formed in 2021 from the acquisition of Faxon Machining in Cincinnati, Ohio, and a division of ATI now called American Flow Forming Machining in Billerica, Massachusetts.  These two companies represent almost 100 years of combined manufacturing.   My testimony represents the most accurate and truthful representation of the current situation that I can offer, based on my personal interactions with both government and industry, and is totally of my own opinion and may or may not represent the balance of the CBI team.  I bring over 47 years of hands-on manufacturing experience, including over 25 years specifically in the defense industry.   starting at the age of 13, working part-time in family business in Cincinnati.  Faxon Machining, located in Cincinnati, Ohio, operates 185,000 square foot facility, manufacturing warheads and precision components for critical defense programs, such as the GBU-57 Massive Ordnance Penetrator, which reproduced seven of the 14 30,000 pound bunker buster bombs using the Iranian nuclear facility strike.   Blue 137, 2,000-pound bunker busters, the GMLS Unitary Warhead.  Faction machining played a key role in the Blue 136 Next Generation Area Attack Weapon Program, from concept and development all the way through full-rate production as a prime contractor for the U.S.  Air Force.  Companies also advancing modernization efforts in artillery production with plans for a state-of-the-art facility capable of vertically integrated manufacturing, producing up to 450,000 modular artillery shells annually to support evolving military requirements.   Faxon Machining supports major defense contractors, including General Dynamics, ARA, Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, U.S.  Government, and many others.  American Flowform Machining, based in Billerica, Massachusetts, operates a 65,000-foot facility focused on manufacture of large-diameter steel rocket motor cases and many smaller rocket motor cases.   Over 1 million rocket motor cases have been produced in this facility since its inception.  AFM supplies parts for missile systems, including Stage 1 MK-72 rocket motor case for the SM-3 and SM-6 missiles, Stinger tow rocket motors, and is launching production of rocket motor cases for systems like the ground launch SDB-1 for Andral.
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Mr. Robert Faxon
AFM also has been contacted to produce MK-104 and Gem-T Patriot rocket meter cases.  Additionally, AFM supports programs such as Zuni, MK-22 mine clearing systems, just to name a few.  We're actively engaged in innovative companies to support projects like Golden Dome and Iron Dome.   national security and defense industrial-based challenges.  The demand for large steel rocket motors, especially those 13 inches and larger in diameter, is growing rapidly due to today's evolving geopolitical environment.  For example, the combined demand for the MK-72, MK-104, and GemT Patriot cases is approximately 3,000 units annually, far exceeding current AFM capacity of 350 to 400 large rocket motor cases.   AFM is uniquely positioned to address this shortage with a proposed vertically integrated rocket motor case factory capable of producing 3,000 cases per year.  The facility will strengthen supply chain resilience by internalizing all manufacturing processes and steps, reducing dependence on external suppliers and support surge capacity during times of crisis.  The new factory will create roughly 300 skilled manufacturing jobs in Massachusetts that generate significant cost savings for the government.  Additionally, this factory will play a key role in supporting current and future defense programs, including the administration's proposed Golden Dome initiative.   experience with Title III funding and recommendations.  AFM has worked closely with the Defense Production Act Title III Office during its efforts to secure funding for this factory expansion and has submitted a Title III funding request for a new facility.  While the potential impact is significant, the process from application to award has proven lengthy and complex, which can be discouraging for smaller companies to pursue these opportunities.  This delay risks leaving critical defense manufacturing capacity unmet amid urgent national security needs.   To address this, I recommend multi-year predictable funding and streamlined application process to reduce uncertainty and incentivize timely project starts.  If industry is being asked to move at the speed of war, then our partners, being the US government, will also have to move at the speed of war.  While the primary focus of this funding is the defense industrial base, it's equally important to support and strengthen the broader industrial base, including commercial and non-DOD manufacturers,   so that these companies remain financially viable in the marketplace and can rapidly pivot to defense production if needed.  This approach not only enhances national security, but also promotes reshoring, supports high-skilled jobs, and ensures a more resilient and competitive manufacturing ecosystem overall.
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Mr. Robert Faxon
Conclusion, the investment reforms I've described are vital to steering our nation's defense industrial-based manufacturing future.  With the right support, Consolidated Boeing Incorporated, through its operating companies, FACTS and MACHINE AFM, stands ready to deliver the critical capabilities our military requires and respectfully requests that the Title III submission, already accepted but not yet funded, be funded not only for the original amount, but also for the additional amount necessary to meet current demands.   This is not only important for our company, but the entire defense industrial base.  These efforts can take years to complete under normal circumstances.  Several of the key pieces of equipment necessary for the rocket motor factory will need to be manufactured from the ground up.  Designed, built, tested, run off, and installed, and in some cases will take well over two years to complete before additional production can begin.   If anything were to occur that impedes a normal operating environment, these timelines could stretch even further, potentially delaying completion by several years.  The stakes are too high to risk such delays.  Failure to act now could leave the United States without sufficient rocket motor production capacity to sustain a prolonged or high-intensity conflict, placing both our national security and our warfighters at unacceptable risk.   We must act now to be responsible stewards in meeting the known and immediate needs our military leaders have clearly challenged us with in order to properly support our warfighters and our allies.  Thank you for your time.  I look forward to your questions.
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Mr. Gordon Follin
All right.  Thank you, Chairman Davidson, Chairman Hill, and distinguished members of the committee, including Representatives Huizenga and Moore.  I appreciate the opportunity to speak with you today on the critical role   that the Defense Production Act has in strengthening our nation's defense.  I'm Gordy Fahl, and I'm the Chief Product Officer of Beehive Industries.  At Beehive, we're a US-based manufacturing company with over 300 employees at locations in Denver, Knoxville, and also in Cincinnati.  In fact, we just opened an expanded facility down in Loveland, about 30 miles south of here,   last week, so it's great to be with you today.  We specialize in additive manufacturing of jet engines for uncrewed weapon systems, counter UAS platforms, and drones.  Beehive's mission is powering American defense, and we're all in on helping the U.S.  and allied nations   replenish their weapons stockpiles, which have been depleted over the last decades by global conflicts.  Let me provide just a little example to put this challenge in context.  Every month, Russia bombards Ukraine with over 700 drones, launched in swarms of hundreds at a time, wreaking havoc across the country.   The Ukraine to defend itself relies on advanced missile defense systems like the Iron Dome and the Patriot systems provided by the US and its allies.  These systems work great, but there's two big problems.  First of all, the Russian drones come from Iran.  They cost about $50,000 a piece and they can make 6,000 plus a year.  The projectiles used in the Ukraine systems to shoot them down cost between one and $4 million a piece.  And right now we can only make about 2000 a year.   So problem one is it currently costs the Ukraine about 50 times more to defend itself than it costs Russia to attack it.  That's the opposite of deterrence.  Problem number two is even if Ukraine could afford it, Russia is able to send three times more things at it than they can shoot down.   So they're definitely disadvantaged in this conflict.  And this is just one example.  Future examples could include, in the not so distant future, a U.S.
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conflict with China, which would face a similar challenge.  And traditional manufacturing processes can't solve these problems.  The Department of Defense estimates that to rebuild stockpiles with existing systems would take more than 13 years and $430 billion, which is time and money we just don't have.   But additive manufacturing can help solve that challenge.  By designing engines in a new way to fully leverage the potential of additive, we see engines that are 25% more efficient, less than half the cost.  They can be developed, tested, and fielded in one quarter of the time.  They can be scaled up to produce more than 10,000 engines a year in less than three years.   at less than 20% of the cost of scaling conventional supply chains.  And by printing jet engines domestically from raw powder, we eliminate the risk of foreign source components disrupting supply of these critical systems.  The Defense Production Act, and especially Title III, is essential in making this possible.  Without it, scaling complex capital-intensive manufacturing processes like ours is extremely risky.   Beehive has benefited or will benefit in four ways from DPA Title III.  First of all, it allows us to respond rapidly to new threats.   The traditional acquisition process can take three plus years to go from a good idea that we know we need to do to actually starting.  With DPA, you can start in less than a year.  So it's a great tool for that.  It also provides preemptive investment, which allows us to invest in developing new products and scaling production capacity ahead of demand.  Like you said, when you go to war, you go to war with the supply chain you have, not the supply chain you want.   It gives you a way to build that supply chain in advance.  It also creates capital security for companies like ours that are privately funded by extending our financial runway.  And also it signals DOD commitment, which encourages future private investment.  That's really key for companies like ours.  It also secures access to critical materials like high temperature metals, which Beehive relies on to make its products.  To maximize the benefit and effectiveness of Title III, Beehive, we have four recommendations for the committee.
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Mr. Gordon Follin
One, preserve and clarify Title III authority to support innovation that delivers capability at scale, also called prototype to production transitions.  This is how we get capabilities to the field faster with lower costs and risk.   Our second recommendation is tailored Title III programs for agile, advanced manufacturers.  Make it more accessible to nontraditional defense companies by streamlining contracts through OTAs, adjusting cost share requirements, things like that.  Recommendation three is continue to strengthen domestic supply chains for high-temperature alloys, nickel superalloys, and titanium.  I think we've talked about that quite a bit today.  Good progress does need to continue.  Those inputs are vulnerable to geopolitical risk, yet essential to products like propulsion.   And the final recommendation align title three efforts with allied industrial based initiatives, especially NATO in August.  One great thing about additive manufacturing is it allows flexible distributed manufacturing, but it can only happen if there's standardization and coordination across nations.   So in summary, the Defense Production Act is the government's most important tool for rapidly responding to defense needs in times of crisis to protect our country and secure our future.  Beehive urges the committee to act decisively in reauthorizing and modernizing this essential law.  Beehive Industries stands ready to partner with the Department of Defense, our allies, and this committee to confront these new challenges and ensure our war fighters have the tools and technologies they need when they need them.
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Mr. Robert Faxon
That's a good question.  Thank you.  One of the concepts that we had is it really, if you look at the defense industrial base, it was undermined by the commercial industrial base.  All of our factories that made sewing machines made 45s in World War II.  So there was a conversion of the commercial industrial base to the defense industrial base.  Now we're focused very intensely on the industrial base, which is fine.  I understand this committee.   But if we were to invest in a facility to increase defense industrial base, if we added funding to increase commercial in a modern technology-driven, cost-effective factor of the future, that commercial aspect not only offsets financial requirements for that facility to maintain its solvency, but it also can be converted back to defense if necessary.   And if the defense gets good and everything gets better, then you take the defense and you convert it back over into the commercial industry.  This supports our reshoring efforts that the tariffs and the current administration is pushing.  It develops the commercial industrial base.  So this is the seed for private investment to grow that commercial sector.  I think focusing strictly on defense has limitations.  And I think that the financial obligations later is going to be the word sustainment.   They're going to have their hand out for sustaining these facilities.  If we build a factory such as the artillery factory that we proposed, it would serve as a model to any other component.  It could be aircraft.  It could be automotive.  It could go in a washing machine.  But the automation necessary takes funding to develop.  It's a bleeding edge.   following it will be a leading edge so dpa funding to support a known requirement such as modular artillery components not your standard 795 deep forge but your modular artillery rounds that manufacturing technology we would open our doors and have competitors and other industries come in and view it and duplicate that mentality and put that into other commercial applications that's how dpa funding could set a tone for a commercial base
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Mr. Robert Faxon
I think components of that answer, thank you for the question.  The components of that are actually built by several other questions that already came up.  What is the requirement of private investment versus DPA funding?  How do those go together?  What is the longevity?  What is the risk?  And quite honestly, if you look at normal business growth, if you're double digit on a CAGR, you're doing really well at 10%.  We're asked to quadruple in a year.   So these ramp up cycles aren't conducive to your typical business growth.  As a matter of fact, if you tried to do that in a normal manufacturing business, and I'm not talking about a high tech or something like that, but in hardcore manufacturing high capital businesses, if you go to the bank and say, I'm going to quadruple in a year, I think they'd rip up your application and throw you out.  So these ramp up rates are a key component.  The industrial base of it, when we look at what the longevity is, how long will you commit to how many rockets you want to buy?   We don't really have that, and we don't make this back in a year or two.  In fact, our investment in the factory, because of vertical integration and cost savings, offers approximately a 10% per unit cost reduction.  So if you really looked at a business cycle of ROI for what we're asking for, the government, at that pace, would be paid back in 10 years on cost reductions of purchased products.  So financial feasibility is not just welfare, give me money and I'm leaving.   It's I'm going to give back to you.  Now, if the government doesn't require that quantity over that period of time, you don't get your return on investment.  That's true, but you're the one asking for it.  I don't go broke because the bank wants me to answer for it when I'm not really the one who's demanding the product.  So that circle of debt, longevity, and flexibility with the commercial viability, I can't emphasize that enough.  Leading edge technology, whether it's software, hardware, physical presses, or technology,   is in most cases transferable.  And when we're gonna reshore things, we're not gonna do it at twice the cost.  We're gonna have to be competitive to make that successful, no matter what anybody says.  They say buy American, but there's a price tag associated.  We have to be more competitive.  We can take these specific demands, put them in a true ROI, and if it does or doesn't pan out, we still lead engineering and manufacturing to a higher level and a higher capability level.
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Mr. Robert Faxon
High level, our original was around the $80 million investment for 1300, which is roughly 110 per month.  When you look at the scalability for that,   You wanna start with a greenfield for the efficiency and the long-term return.  You don't wanna put a bandaid on something you currently have.  You go ground up.  So the facilitization in the first year is pretty much non-return on quantity.  There's minor improvements.  In year one to two, certain pieces of equipment can be acquired, take our original capacity and supplement that within year one to two.  That helps significantly.  In year two, most equipment is on the floor and gets evaluated and run off in year two to three.  So you have a small incremental step in year one to two,   Year zero to one is not really a high return.  Year three is where you really see your highest return.  And that's where you consolidate all the equipment.  These machines, in some cases, will take weeks and months to move and years to get.  So what you don't want to do is incrementally fund four small steps and not get to where you want to be.  What we are offering and what I think needs to happen with companies like ours, because I'm familiar with them, great company.   We're offering a national asset.  We're offering something for the next 30 years, not four.  This is not a five-year investment.  This is setting a tone and a departure from typical manufacturing.  We're not going to win if we keep doing what we've done.   If we buy what we've had 10 years ago and it lasts 20 more, this world doesn't stay still for 30 years.  Thank you.  We'll continue this discussion.
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Bill Huizenga
You're going to hear a central theme on this.  I leaned over to Chairman Davidson when he finished and I said that's...   Virtually exactly what I had written down as my question.  I was just going to use slightly less pejorative language when it comes to central planning, but I think that's a lot of the question, concern, feedback that I think not just from colleagues, but from taxpayers that we hear, which is why are we making these investments into an industry that isn't needed?  Well, you can't predict war, right?   Well, he can't predict mass war or something like conflict like what was happening in Russia and Ukraine.  And I want to I want, you know, Mr. Faxon, you did a phenomenal job explaining it from from your perspective on what was what was sort of the ramp up in the need.  Mr. Fallon, I'd like you to.   Maybe expand on that or give us your take as well.  I mean, you talked about perceived risk that really this is sort of in a way the government funding might be that bell cow, as some might say, right?  Others are going to follow that.  They're going to view that as a lead.   Oftentimes, though, when we are doing our appropriations, we want to see, you know, end of fiscal year production.  We have a much different timeline than you might have.  And I'm really curious, do you believe that the programs that we have, one, allow you to build the capacity for not just an immediate, but for long term?  How do we maintain that?   Two, do you have the flexibility to innovate and explore within those programs?  And one of the sort of the central themes of a truly free market is the ability to fail.   and learn from that failure.  We don't like that when we're sending taxpayer dollars.
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Mr. Gordon Follin
Yeah, so my personal experience is primarily with DPA for defense.  So I can't comment necessarily on the percentage of funding that they make outside of defense.  I would say that my experience so far is that it is focused on the priorities of the administration of the DoD.  So in our case, like we're working on these critical munitions that I think we've heard talked about as a priority from from the other folks in their earlier testimony.   So I feel like it is focused in areas that are important.  I think it could be improved.  I'm sure it could.  What I would say is in terms of, you know, does the funding support ramping up to actually support the rates?  What happens if volume changes?  How fast can you change?  I would say one of the advantages of additive is it can ramp up very quickly.  It doesn't require   like big mega foundries in order to scale it up, you're basically buying things that look like inkjet printers, right?  They're bigger, they're more industrial, but they look kind of like that.  In terms of timing, in 15 months, so in 15 months we can double production.  So right now we have the ability to make about 2000 engines a year.   In 15 months, we'll ramp that up to be close to 5,000.  And then another 15 months after that, we could be ready to support close to 10,000, which is what we've been given by the DOD as a target.  So again, you compare that to 100 years of manufacturing things conventionally, and we can make 2,000 a year, right?  So it's really promising, I think, what it can offer.  The other advantage of additive is it's easy to distribute.  What that means is   Once you have a design and once you've kind of validated how to manufacture it, there's 3D printers all over the world, right?  So in a time where you need a surge, we can take the design, we could export it to a DoD facility or another industrial facility, and they could make the design from   from our design just by putting it in their printer.  It's a pretty automated process.  You don't need a lot of specialized labor to do that.  So it's pretty easily scalable.  And the other big advantage is a lot of conventional manufacturing requires very bespoke, expensive, long lead tooling.
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Mr. Gordon Follin
Yeah, so I would say the number one problem we see are things like titanium.  Most of the world's titanium comes from Russia and China, unfortunately.  And titanium is a really common alloy in aerospace products.  It's pretty high temperature capable.  It's lightweight.  And so there are North American titanium suppliers that are able to grow.  I think investing more in those North American suppliers to scale up and be able to provide those materials is essential.   There's also Canada has sources of titanium.  There's other friendly nations.  I think in the past they haven't been developed because there was a global supply and it wasn't needed.  But I think it's one of the big challenges we face.  I think Representative Moore, he talked about how in North Carolina, there's like one of the only copper smelting plants left in the country.  There's an element called rhenium, which doesn't exist in nature.  The only way you can get it is from the smelting of copper.   And that rhenium is really what is like the secret ingredient in a turbine blade, which is the most critical component of a jet engine.  So I think things like that, like how do we invest in those sources so that we can do it independently?  In the past, I think, you know, some of the, you know, politics change.  Like some of the countries that we're competitive with now, we weren't as competitive with 20 years ago, and it wasn't a problem.  But we've kind of backed ourselves into a corner on a couple of these materials like titanium and rhenium.
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